Tuesday, April 21, 2009

Are the "Tea Parties" for everyone?

This post by right-wing bigot Nancy L. LaRoche to the "e-democracy forum" pretty much tells us the truth behind all the statements coming from the two-bit, half-assed fascist right-wing talk radio big-mouths who host these programs that somehow these teabaggers are putting on some kind of "non-partisan" events open to all who decry wasteful government spending.

Check out this response to me very closely because the truth is in what Nancy L. LaRoche posted in opposition to what I posted.

Here is what I posted which she is responding to:


Alan wrote: "Yes, you want people to attend your "Tea Party" rallies but you exclude those with a left view from speaking... wow! Real democratic.

Invite me to speak; I'll be there."




Now, notice what she says:

Alan: Do you leftist protesters pass their bullhorns and allow the other side to speak at their rallies?




This is a very frank admission that only those from the right side of the political spectrum are welcome at these "Tea Parties."

This statement here makes Mitch Berg, Chris Baker, Shawn Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the chicken shit patriot crowd so eager to send others off to kill and die in these dirty imperialist wars being waged for control of the oil fields and gas pipeline routes along with regional domination and control of the poppy and heroin trade nothing but outright liars afraid to defend their fascist, racist, warmongering, pro-capitalist, pro-imperialist ideas. They lie when they say these "Tea Parties" were organized by "concerned citizens" from grassroots, when, in fact, these right-wing bigots and blowhards of talk radio have organized these "Tea Parties" for two reasons: 1.) As promotional publicity stunts to promote the now largely discredited right-wing talk radio; and, 2.) To try to move the country firther to the right THAN WHAT BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRATS AND THE WALL STREET CROWD are already trying to take us. Make no mistake, Barack Obama is not liberal, progressive or left in any sense of the meaning of these words... Obama is definitely not a "socialist" as these racist, bigots of right-wing talk radio of are charging.

In other words, the teabaggers are not going to allow me (or any known "leftist" to address their Tax Day Rallies with the message that military spending is wasteful government spending.

The organizers of these "Tea Parties" do not want people hearing the truth that the most excessive, wasteful government spending is for wars and militarism.

These right-wing blow-hards like Mitch Berg are afraid to have me addressing their crowds saying things like:

The United States government, dominated by Wall Street bankers and coupon clippers, is wasting trillions upon trillions of dollars of money borrowed from Wall Street bankers to finance a vast and far-flung network of over 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil dotting all parts of the globe instead of building 800 public health care centers right here in the United States providing free health care from cradle to grave for everyone.


Now, this self-avowed, Bircher--- this two-bit, half-assed fascist--- Nancy L. LaRoche declares that I have denied people with differing viewpoints from my own the right to speak at anti-war rallies.

This is another outright and brazen two-faced lie and she is well aware she is a liar in making this statement.

I have never in my life prevented anyone--- from any political perspective or persuasion--- with an anti-war view to speak at any anti-war rally.

To the extent it has been within my power (as one vote on a committee), I have never allowed anyone with a pro-war view to speak at an anti-war rally.

Why would I give consideration to anyone with a pro-war view to speak at an "anti-war rally?" Only a complete idiot and fool like this Birchite, Nancy L. LaRoche, would make such a statement... it is up to her and her warmongering friends who support these wars but never go off to fight them to organize their own "pro-war rallies."

However, I have organized (and participated as a debater in debates I had no part in organizing) dozens of debates all over Minnesota--- some ninety debates, in fact--- prior to the start of the war in Iraq, around the question and issue:

Should the United States Government Go To War in Iraq?


Participants in these debates, generally consisted of two or three pro and con views. As the main organizer of these debates across Minnesota I did not seek out and select participants according to my personal left-wing views. In fact, these debates included retired military people--- both pro and con--- on the question and the issue. In fact, there were even some right-wing talk show hosts who participated in these debates--- several times as the moderators. Not once was I ever accused of stacking these debates. And not once was the discourse anything but cordial. I would note, the bigots and the Birchites did condemn these debates because they included the anti-war view! You see, these two-bit, half-assed fascists do not believe in democracy or any concept of democracy. To them, democracy is only them getting out their views. These is an obviously perverted view of democracy; the same perverted view of democracy that almost thoroughly permeates right-wing talk radio--- with a very few notable exceptions of those who hold genuinely conservative views but welcome all other views into the "battle of ideas in our modern world."

Nancy L. LaRoche intentionally tries to blend "debate" with demonstrations and rallies. She does this intentionally as do all of her bigoted friends because they know that people get their ideas together when they hear the many sides to these complex and complicated questions in the process of public and democratic debate--- and, then, after formulating opinions based upon what they believe to be the best information they can gather; from this informed position they go out a try to convince others to rally and demonstrate with them to try to move government, corporations or whatever in the direction they think society should be moving.

But, where has the debate been on the Obama/Wall Street agenda?

In fact, there has been no debate.

In fact, the "left" which our bigoted, Birchite friend Nancy L. LaRoche so bemoans, has had no voice what-so-ever in a debate, which I would remind the reader, has largely been an attack on socialism.

Denying a voice to the adherents of the socialist viewpoint and perspective under these circumstances can hardly pass for democracy.

By Nancy L. LaRoche's own words here, these "Tea Party" and tax-protests are nothing more than right-wing rallies; her own words give lie to the words of those like Mitch Berg, Chris Baker, Shawn Hannity and Rush Limbaugh along with the "fair and unbiased" FOX news crew that these rallies are anything but anti-communist, pro-war and pro-corporate bash the working class and attack the rest of the world rallies.

That two-bit, half-assed fascists from both the Republican and Democratic Parties participate in these rallies does not mean these rallies are open to all who oppose wasteful government spending; it means that those on the right from both political parties support and sponsor--- and exclude--- anyone not right-wing from participation.

After all, when you openly state as Nancy L. LaRoche has done that "leftists for peace" are excluded; here in the state of Minnesota you are excluding a good 40% of the population.

And, if you are "not going to pass the bullhorn" to leftists to speak about their concerns about inappropriate government spending no one, not Mitch Berg or Chris Baker or Shawn Hannity or Rush Limbaugh, can make the claim they are speaking for all Americans... they are speaking for a very, very narrow slice of America... perhaps 3% to 4% of the population... no more than this.

But, here we are supposedly talking about bringing people of "all political persuasions together" in these Tea Parties who are opposed to "government waste."

Are these "Tea Parties" also "pro-war parties and rallies?" If we listen to Nancy L. LaRoche they really are.

Not only do the American people have to ask:

Where is the change?

We also have to ask:

Where are the debates on these issues?


Nancy L. LaRoche knew better than to demand the microphone at an anti-war rally because she was pro-war.

In her small little demented and perverted mind, patriotism is equated with being pro-war. Waving a flag is equated with being pro-war. That she convinced someone to put down a peace sign and hold the American flag tells us absolutely nothing... did she convince that person to become pro-war? No. And she knows it. That person waved the American flag to demonstrate that peace is patriotic, and war is unpatriotic.

I'm not a "flag-waver" but I will stand my patriotism for this country up against the chicken shit patriotism of these right-wing bigots hosting these Fox radio programs any day... and it they who run from the challenge of debating these issues.

That they can convince a few stupid fools like Nancy L. LaRoche to join them tells us everything we need to know about this perverted crowd of "teabaggers."

Nancy L. LaRoche tells us that she and her friends "don't bite." However, they sure want to give the working class a good "teabagging."

Teabaggers have more in common with the "steal the land from the Indians," pro-slavery, pro-Hitler crowd than with the sons and daughters of the American Revolution and Tom Paine and Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson.

Again, I reiterate my suggestion for real--- face-to-face--- debates in every city where the teabaggers are planning their events... come on Nancy L. LaRoche, your idols Mitch Berg and Chris Baker refuse to debate me... let's me and you tour these sixteen cities debating the issues involved... let's me and you debate what constitutes wasteful government spending...

bak, bak, bak, baaakkk, bak, bak, baakk, baaakkkkk, bak, bak.

No doubt Hitler was a "teabagger," just like Mitch Berg and Chris Baker in every sense of the word.

Something to think about around the dinner table--- if you can keep from gagging.

Yours in the struggle,

Alan L. Maki





From a posting to "e-democracy" to which the "moderator," Rick Mons, would not allow me the above response.

The posting was from: Nancy L LaRoche Date: 07:23 CDT Short link

Alan Maki wrote:

"Yes, you want people to attend your "Tea Party" rallies but you
exclude those with a left view from speaking... wow! Real democratic.

Invite me to speak; I'll be there."


Alan: Do you leftist protesters pass their bullhorns and allow the other side
to speak at their rallies?
I've attended some anti-war protests and had great
conversations with those opposed to my views. I didn't demand the microphone.
In fact, at one three years ago I made friends with a homeless Native American
who was given an anti-war sign to carry. After we talked for a while, he put
his sign down and picked up a flag. That's what democracy is - the right to
have differing opinions and discuss openly with others. You seem to want to
dismiss and shut up those who disagree.

Come out and talk with us May 2. Try to understand our side face to face.
Again, we don't bite.

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There are 22 posts — by 15 authors — in this topic.
Latest post made by Nancy L LaRoche at 12:23 UTC

From: Steven Clift Date: Apr 15 20:53 UTC Short link

See:
http://teapartymn.com/

April 15th, 2009 Tax Day Tea Party List (please click the city nearest
you for more details)

Austin, MN

Bemidji, MN

Brainerd, MN

Cook County (Grand Marais, MN)

Duluth, MN

Elbow Lake, MN

Fairmont, MN

Mankato, MN

Mille Lacs County (Milaca, MN)

North Branch, MN

Rochester, MN

Saint Cloud, MN

Slayton, MN (developing)

Steele County, (Owatonna, MN)

Twin Cities (Saint Paul, MN)

Willmar, MN (New!)




From: Mike Schoenberg Date: Apr 15 21:41 UTC Short link

And they are calling the activities at these parties "teabagging." Very
interesting.

Mike Schoenberg
St. Paul






>From: Alan Maki Date: Apr 16 17:51 UTC Short link

Notice: I have created a blog for anyone who wants to comment on these "Tea
Parties." This blog includes the postings made on the "Tea Party" blog:

http://teapartypatriotism.blogspot.com/


An open letter to:

The organizers of the "Minnesota Tea Parties."

What kind of ideas do you people have if you are afraid to debate and fear
the ideas of others?

You are no better than, certainly no alternative to, Barack Obama and the
pathetic Democrats and the even more corrupt and disgraced Republicans.

Come on, put your ideas up against a real socialist.

I challenge you to hold debates in every one of the Minnesota communities
where you had your big-business/Wall Street financed "Tea Parties."

Just give me the dates and times and I will be there to debate any of you on
the issues you claim to be so concerned about.

It is easy for you to rant and rave against the perverted caricature of
socialism you have created without having to sit side by side with a
socialist and debate the issues.

Here I am. let's have at it. or are you afraid to put your ideas out where
they can be challenged in the "public square."

Alan L. Maki

Director of Organizing,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council



Please Note: Your comment is awaiting moderation.

What I see in your Tea Party "movement" is:

1. racism
2. vicious anti-communism
3. warmongers
4. people sucked in by Wall Street
5. a gross distortion of "patriotism."

I would encourage all of you to read "Citizen Tom Paine" by Howard Fast and
his other historical novels on the American Revolution to get some kind of
basic grounding and understanding as to what constitutes fighting for
freedom, justice and liberty.

You really have a very shallow understanding of the issues.

For instance-

Why no mention of this "little" fact:

Our government is wasting trillions of dollars maintaining over 800 U.S.
military bases on foreign soil dotting the globe in countries where we have
no business when, instead, we should be establishing 800 public health care
centers spread out across the United States providing free health care for
everyone.

It is easy for you all to say things like you do using assumed names and
monikers. I am wondering if you would dare to say such pathetically stupid,
harmful and hurtful things if you had to sign your real names and provide
contact information?

I would challenge any of you to debate these issues: anytime, anyplace
anywhere.

Any takers?

Bak, bak, bak, bak, baaakkk, bak, bak, bak, baaaaakkkkkkkk.

Just a bunch of chicken shit patriots.

Give me a call if you can converse intelligently.

Alan L. Maki
218-386-2432







Alan L. Maki

58891 County Road 13

Warroad, Minnesota 56763

Phone: 218-386-2432

Cell phone: 651-587-5541

E-mail:



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From: Lee Surma Date: Apr 16 18:23 UTC Short link

"Alan Maki" wrote:
> Come on, put your ideas up against a real socialist.

ROTFL! I'd probably pay money to see you go face to face
against Mitch Berg or some of the other Northern Alliance
Radio members or someone like Jason Lewis.
I say probably
because I have no idea who you are and the ensuing verbal
pummeling could be as gruesome as a car accident. A while
back Liberal talk radio Neanderthal Ed Schultz went up
against Conservative talk radio host Michael Medved at a
live event here in town and it was like pairing a
featherweight against Mohamed Ali in his prime. Socialism
is pretty much indefensible when the facts are presented
in an open forum.

Lee Surma
Maple Grove


On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:51:05 -0500






"Alan Maki" wrote:
> Notice: I have created a blog for anyone who wants to
>comment on these "Tea
> Parties." This blog includes the postings made on the
>"Tea Party" blog:
>
> http://teapartypatriotism.blogspot.com/
>
>
> An open letter to:
>
> The organizers of the "Minnesota Tea Parties."
>
> What kind of ideas do you people have if you are afraid
>to debate and fear
> the ideas of others?
>
> You are no better than, certainly no alternative to,
>Barack Obama and the
> pathetic Democrats and the even more corrupt and
>disgraced Republicans.
>
> Come on, put your ideas up against a real socialist.
>
> I challenge you to hold debates in every one of the
>Minnesota communities
> where you had your big-business/Wall Street financed
>"Tea Parties."
>
> Just give me the dates and times and I will be there to
>debate any of you on
> the issues you claim to be so concerned about.
>
> It is easy for you to rant and rave against the
>perverted caricature of
> socialism you have created without having to sit side by
>side with a
> socialist and debate the issues.
>
> Here I am. let's have at it. or are you afraid to put
>your ideas out where
> they can be challenged in the "public square."
>
> Alan L. Maki
>
> Director of Organizing,
>
> Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council
>
>
>
> Please Note: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
>
> What I see in your Tea Party "movement" is:
>
> 1. racism
> 2. vicious anti-communism
> 3. warmongers
> 4. people sucked in by Wall Street
> 5. a gross distortion of "patriotism."
>
> I would encourage all of you to read "Citizen Tom Paine"
>by Howard Fast and
> his other historical novels on the American Revolution
>to get some kind of
> basic grounding and understanding as to what constitutes
>fighting for
> freedom, justice and liberty.
>
> You really have a very shallow understanding of the
>issues.
>
>For instance-
>
> Why no mention of this "little" fact:
>
> Our government is wasting trillions of dollars
>maintaining over 800 U.S.
> military bases on foreign soil dotting the globe in
>countries where we have
> no business when, instead, we should be establishing 800
>public health care
> centers spread out across the United States providing
>free health care for
> everyone.
>
> It is easy for you all to say things like you do using
>assumed names and
> monikers. I am wondering if you would dare to say such
>pathetically stupid,
> harmful and hurtful things if you had to sign your real
>names and provide
> contact information?
>
> I would challenge any of you to debate these issues:
>anytime, anyplace
> anywhere.
>
> Any takers?
>
> Bak, bak, bak, bak, baaakkk, bak, bak, bak,
>baaaaakkkkkkkk.
>
> Just a bunch of chicken shit patriots.
>
> Give me a call if you can converse intelligently.
>
> Alan L. Maki
> 218-386-2432
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan L. Maki
>
> 58891 County Road 13
>
> Warroad, Minnesota 56763
>
> Phone: 218-386-2432
>
> Cell phone: 651-587-5541
>
> E-mail:
>
>
>
> Check out my blog:
>
>
>
> Thoughts From Podunk
>
>
>
> http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/
>
> Alan Maki
> Warroad
> Info about Alan Maki:
>http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/alanmaki
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> Complaints to: From: Rick Mons Date: Apr 17 04:03 UTC Short link

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From: Lee Surma Date: Apr 17 14:04 UTC Short link


On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:54:39 -0500
"Alan Maki" wrote:
> Mr. Surma;
>
> Set up the debate... I will show you how "indefensible"
>socialist ideas are.



>

To update the list Mr. Maki and Mitch Berg, of the
Northern Alliance Radio Network,on AM1280 The Patriot in
the Twin Cities have been in contact and Mr. Maki is going
to try to call in sometime after 1 on Saturday as a caller
and not a scheduled guest
. Unlike other forms of media,
Conservative talk radio types encourage opposing views to
call in so it's likely that Maki will get thru and on the
air.

Alan I don't know how much talk radio you have listened to
but there are certain unwritten rules you need to follow
to increase your air time. You don't get on and start
spewing a bunch of crap and talk over the host. I would
avoid personally attacking the host. You need to maintain
a dialog and answer the hosts questions, that's their
advantage by the way. You can't give a speech and not stop
talking. Good luck and I'm hoping for an enlightening
conversation. Perhaps you can sway some of the audience.

Lee Surma
Maple Grove
From: Joan Vanhala Date: Apr 20 14:06 UTC Short link





FYI...I am forwarding this article from the MN Indian Affairs list serve. Joan
Vanhala.....

Teabaggers misuse Indian imagery

Taking their orders from talk radio, a flock of sheep-like conservatives
protested on Tax Day. Dressing up as phony "patriots" and "Indians," they
dumped tea to complain about their loss of white privilege government spending
and bailouts.

Here's how stupid these protests were:

1) Obama isn't raising taxes except on those who earn more than $250,000.
Almost everyone at the protests will get a tax cut, not a tax increase. Stupid
#1.

2) The only reason Obama is bailing out the banking industry is because every
responsible economist and politician has said it's necessary. It's similar to
the bailout of the savings and loan industry under Reagan, which none of these
hypocrites protested. Stupid #2.

3) George W. Bush created the soaring national debt, the recession, and the
banking crisis with his ignorant economic policies, but none of the protesters
noted this. We've rarely been a better example of conservative hypocrisy. If a
Republican spends the government into debt, he's the second coming of Christ.
If a Democrat does it, he's Hitler incarnate. Stupid #3.

4) Obama continues to enjoy a popularity rating of 60-70%. But Fox News, the PR
arm of the Republican Party, gave the impression that most Americans are angry
at Obama. Implying that these protesters were more than a tiny minority was a
flat-out lie. Stupid #4.

5) "Teabagging" is a kinky sexual practice, so the protesters made themselves
into a national laughing stock by calling themselves "teabaggers." Stupid #5.

Since this protest was stupid and hypocritical--again, most people are getting
tax cuts and there was no word about Bush's responsibility--you have to wonder
what was really behind it.

For starters, conservatives were clearly crying because grumpy old McCain lost
the 2008 election to "that one"--i.e., the better man. That much is obvious.

The real question is how much of the protest was based on their fear and hatred
of a black man in the White House. A lot, I'd say. If there was a sincere bone
in the protesters' bodies, they'd blame the eight-year GOP hegemony, Wall
Street, and the banking industry for causing the problems. And not Obama for
trying to solve them.

The Indian aspect

A few protesters dressed up as Indians, presumably to emulate the faux Indians
at the original Boston Tea Party. They looked even stupider than the other
protesters.

If you can't read the text, the slogans say:

"On Warpath Against More Taxes!"
"Paleface Taxes Too High"
"Let Little Brave Keep Wampum"

These protesters are dressed in leathers and feathers like stereotypical
Indians. Their slogans are blatant stereotypes. They're stupid in almost every
way you can imagine.

Just as bad is this young dupe protester. One, you don't wear a chief's
headdress unless you're an Indian who has earned the privilege from your tribe.
Two, there weren't any Plains Indians at the Boston Tea Party. New Englanders
didn't know Plains Indians existed at the time.

And three--again--Obama isn't robbing any child unless he earned more than
$250,000 last year and stored the money in his piggy bank. Stupid, stupid,
stupid.

Dressing up as Indians is equivalent to emulating African Americans in
blackface. These people don't know or don't care that they're insulting
Indians. In short, they're typical conservatives.

Wrapping it up

Here's a clue, you stupid conservatives. If you don't like the way we're
running the country, elect your own candidate president. Oh, wait...you had a
chance to do that just five months ago. Americans roundly rejected your
approach to governing--preemptive wars, faith-based science, giveaways to the
rich, etc. They voted for intelligence and humility over stupidity and
arrogance.

If you can't wait until 2012, feel free to get the hell out of the country. The
US has lower taxes than almost every other industrialized nation, but maybe you
can find a lower-tax country somewhere. Maybe you can start your own tax-free
country on a desert island or Antarctica or somewhere. But quit whining like
whipped curs, you spoiled rotten losers. The majority has spoken and they want
Obama to clean up the mess Bush made by pooping in America's pants.

For more on the subject, see The Political Uses of Stereotypes.

Below: "We're racists and we don't care who knows it!"

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/04/teabaggers-misuse-indian-imagery.html





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President and CEO
Wittstock & Associates
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From: Lee Surma Date: Apr 20 14:37 UTC Short link

Sorry but suggesting that we are racist makes it look like
you are the racist.

On point one. It's more about the outrageous wasteful
spending and political payoffs and believe me every
working American is going to eventually pay. Obama is out
spending Bush by a wide margin and a lot of the spending
is just plain stupid stuff. Also Cap and Trade and this
crazy declaration by the EPA will destroy our economy. The
only way my real out of pocket taxes will go down is when
I'm unemployed.

On number two it's how he's doing the bailout that is
disturbing. What they are doing now isn't even remotely
close to the S & L crisis.

On point three I don't know any conservatives who think
Bush did the right thing. Bush was acting like a loser
Democrat the last couple of years and has been a huge
disappointment. I'm glad McCain lost because he would have
been even worse.

On point four I think those popularity numbers are dubious
and there is no doubt that the majority of Americans are
mad at congress. Pelosi, Reid, Franke and the rest of the
thugs are mostly a big joke.

Lee Surma
Maple Grove



On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:09:02 +1200 (NZST)



wrote:
>FYI...I am forwarding this article from the MN Indian
>Affairs list serve. Joan Vanhala.....
>
> Teabaggers misuse Indian imagery
>
> Taking their orders from talk radio, a flock of
>sheep-like conservatives protested on Tax Day. Dressing
>up as phony "patriots" and "Indians," they dumped tea to
>complain about their loss of white privilege government
>spending and bailouts.
>
> Here's how stupid these protests were:
>
> 1) Obama isn't raising taxes except on those who earn
>more than $250,000. Almost everyone at the protests will
>get a tax cut, not a tax increase. Stupid #1.
>
> 2) The only reason Obama is bailing out the banking
>industry is because every responsible economist and
>politician has said it's necessary. It's similar to the
>bailout of the savings and loan industry under Reagan,
>which none of these hypocrites protested. Stupid #2.
>
> 3) George W. Bush created the soaring national debt, the
>recession, and the banking crisis with his ignorant
>economic policies, but none of the protesters noted this.
>We've rarely been a better example of conservative
>hypocrisy. If a Republican spends the government into
>debt, he's the second coming of Christ. If a Democrat
>does it, he's Hitler incarnate. Stupid #3.
>
> 4) Obama continues to enjoy a popularity rating of
>60-70%. But Fox News, the PR arm of the Republican Party,
>gave the impression that most Americans are angry at
>Obama. Implying that these protesters were more than a
>tiny minority was a flat-out lie. Stupid #4.
>
> 5) "Teabagging" is a kinky sexual practice, so the
>protesters made themselves into a national laughing stock
>by calling themselves "teabaggers." Stupid #5.
>
> Since this protest was stupid and hypocritical--again,
>most people are getting tax cuts and there was no word
>about Bush's responsibility--you have to wonder what was
>really behind it.
>
>For starters, conservatives were clearly crying because
>grumpy old McCain lost the 2008 election to "that
>one"--i.e., the better man. That much is obvious.
>
> The real question is how much of the protest was based
>on their fear and hatred of a black man in the White
>House. A lot, I'd say. If there was a sincere bone in the
>protesters' bodies, they'd blame the eight-year GOP
>hegemony, Wall Street, and the banking industry for
>causing the problems. And not Obama for trying to solve
>them.
>
> The Indian aspect
>
> A few protesters dressed up as Indians, presumably to
>emulate the faux Indians at the original Boston Tea
>Party. They looked even stupider than the other
>protesters.
>
> If you can't read the text, the slogans say:
>
> "On Warpath Against More Taxes!"
> "Paleface Taxes Too High"
> "Let Little Brave Keep Wampum"
>
> These protesters are dressed in leathers and feathers
>like stereotypical Indians. Their slogans are blatant
>stereotypes. They're stupid in almost every way you can
>imagine.
>
> Just as bad is this young dupe protester. One, you don't
>wear a chief's headdress unless you're an Indian who has
>earned the privilege from your tribe. Two, there weren't
>any Plains Indians at the Boston Tea Party. New
>Englanders didn't know Plains Indians existed at the
>time.
>
> And three--again--Obama isn't robbing any child unless
>he earned more than $250,000 last year and stored the
>money in his piggy bank. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
>
> Dressing up as Indians is equivalent to emulating
>African Americans in blackface. These people don't know
>or don't care that they're insulting Indians. In short,
>they're typical conservatives.
>
> Wrapping it up
>
> Here's a clue, you stupid conservatives. If you don't
>like the way we're running the country, elect your own
>candidate president. Oh, wait...you had a chance to do
>that just five months ago. Americans roundly rejected
>your approach to governing--preemptive wars, faith-based
>science, giveaways to the rich, etc. They voted for
>intelligence and humility over stupidity and arrogance.
>
> If you can't wait until 2012, feel free to get the hell
>out of the country. The US has lower taxes than almost
>every other industrialized nation, but maybe you can find
>a lower-tax country somewhere. Maybe you can start your
>own tax-free country on a desert island or Antarctica or
>somewhere. But quit whining like whipped curs, you
>spoiled rotten losers. The majority has spoken and they
>want Obama to clean up the mess Bush made by pooping in
>America's pants.
>
>For more on the subject, see The Political Uses of
>Stereotypes.
>
> Below: "We're racists and we don't care who knows it!"
>
> http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/04/teabaggers-misuse-indian-imagery.html




>
> Laura Waterman Wittstock
> President and CEO
> Wittstock & Associates
> blogs:
> http://tinyurl.com/d7hy5p
> cornplanter's revenge
> Joan Vanhala
> Phillips, Minneapolis
> Info about Joan Vanhala:
>http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/2tjdbtjS2TMoWBmnWj8CT9
>

>
> More information about Minnesota Politics and Issues


I don't know how dressing up like American Indians (unless you are
Indians) isn't racist. What cause or protest justifies this? I think
white Americans can make their points without disguising themselves
as another group. There does not seem to be anything wrong with being
white. Having a protest is not wrong either. But pretending to be
Indians is wrong.



Laura
Minneapolis
Southeast/Como


On Apr 20, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Lee wrote:

> Sorry but suggesting that we are racist makes it look like
> you are the racist.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:09:02 +1200 (NZST)
> wrote:
>>
>> If you can't read the text, the slogans say:
>>
>> "On Warpath Against More Taxes!"
>> "Paleface Taxes Too High"
>> "Let Little Brave Keep Wampum"
>>
>> These protesters are dressed in leathers and feathers
>> like stereotypical Indians. Their slogans are blatant
>> stereotypes. They're stupid in almost every way you can
>> imagine.
>>


Laura Waterman Wittstock
President and CEO
Wittstock & Associates
913 19th Ave SE
Minneapolis, MN 55414
612-387-4915
blogs:
http://tinyurl.com/d7hy5p
cornplanter's revengeFrom: Marc Asch Date: Apr 20 17:30 UTC Short link

Laura Waterman Wittstock wrote:
> I don't know how dressing up like American Indians (unless you are
> Indians) isn't racist.
While it is clear that the protesters do not know or understand American
history, the symbolism they use or the terms they throw around, I do not
see the use of Indian dress by non-Indians as racist. Racism is a
serious problem. Labeling behavior as racist should be done when it is
racist, not when it is just plain silly.

Invoking the symbolism of the Boston Tea Party to protest spending bills
which have passed the Congress in the months after a major US election
which significantly changed the representation in Congress, and the
party of the President, is idiotic. The protesters may not like the
spending and may fear taxes to come, but this clearly was WITH
representation.

Unfortunately, the right wing is acting very much like a petulant child
or a seriously disturbed adult. The Economist (4/16/09), a conservative
British magazine, had a wonderful article Obama Derangement Syndrome on
the fixation of the radical right on Obama.

The right has never placed a high value on clarity of thought or facts
in their attacks but the obsession with Obama is taking us to new
heights. As the Economist suggests, and IMHO many of Lee's posts
reflect, obsessing about Obama and making over the top accusations which
the general public do not see a grounded in reality is pushing the
radical right into a smaller and smaller public space with is further
and further from the majority of the public.








--
Marc Asch
34 North Oaks Road 651-484-9037
North Oaks, MN 55127

"Democracy is not a spectator sport."
Craig S. WilsonFrom:





Alan Maki Date: Apr 20 17:33 UTC Short link

Previously I asked a very basic and simple question:


"Why no mention of this "little" fact:

Our government is wasting trillions of dollars maintaining over 800 U.S.
military bases on foreign soil dotting the globe in countries where we have
no business when, instead, we should be establishing 800 public health care
centers spread out across the United States providing free health care for
everyone."


Here we have these Minnesota cities (sixteen in all) which have been targeted
for Tea Party activities.

They talk about the waste of tax-payer monies.

The biggest waste of tax-payer monies which is harming Minnesotans and all
Americans is spending to maintain more than 800 U.S. military bases on foreign
soil to protect Wall Street's interests.

Instead of this waste of human and other resources, we could be spending money
for 800 community public health care centers spread out across the United
States.

Minnesota--- as well as each other state--- would, coincidentally, get 16
public health care centers providing us all with free health care.

Minnesotans are paying a terrible price for the out-of-whack priorities in this
country.

So far, the Tea Parties held around Minnesota have ignored the cost of funding
800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil while they say they are for ending
government waste--- without being specific.

Most of the conservative talk radio hosts in Minnesota jumped forward saying
that they would debate me on this topic even though I issued the challenge to
debate to the organizers of these Tea Parties which leads me to conclude that
right-wing talk radio is the main promoter of these "Tea Parties."

My offer to debate any of the organizers or supporters of the Tea Parties in
each of these Minnesota cities still stands:

Austin, MN

Bemidji, MN

Brainerd, MN

Cook County (Grand Marais, MN)

Duluth, MN

Elbow Lake, MN

Fairmont, MN

Mankato, MN

Mille Lacs County (Milaca, MN)

North Branch, MN

Rochester, MN

Saint Cloud, MN

Slayton, MN (developing)

Steele County, (Owatonna, MN)

Twin Cities (Saint Paul, MN)

Willmar, MN (New!)

If anyone is up to providing Minnesotans with two alternative views (or more;
the more views the public gets the merrier) I am willing to participate in the
same kinds of debates we held across the state before the war in Iraq began.
Fair debates with the same rules applying to all participants with impartial
moderators.

Since the main emphasis of Tea Party organizers, activists and participants is
preventing socialism; it is only logical that any debates include a socialist
so people get both sides (and any other sides of the issues involved).

A suggestion:

Maybe e-democracy would like to sponsor the debates as a means of connecting
person to person in these communities--- this would contribute to promoting and
expanding democracy on-line and in the communities where people live, work and
recreate.

I do wish to apologize to anyone who was offended by my use of the term "tea
bagger;" I had no idea the reference was to some kind of lewd, gross sexual
act. It seems strange to me that the promoters of these events would have used
this term to describe themselves but now complain when others use this term to
refer to them.

My only intent in using the term "tea bagger" was to refer to those
participating in the Tea Parties as protests against socialism and progressive
reforms; nothing sinister or sleazy pertaining to any kind of sexuality was
intended. Again, my sincere apology.

Alan L. Maki
58891 County Road 13
Warroad, Minnesota 56763
Phone: 218-386-2432
Cell phone: 651-587-5541
E-mail:

Check out my blog:
Thoughts From Podunk
http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/



From: Rick Mons Date: Apr 20 18:31 UTC Short link

Sorry, folks, but the posts in this thread are essentially about national
issues and debates and off-topic. In order to post on this forum, you need
to keep the focus on Minnesota issues or, if it's a national issue, how
Minnesota and/or Minnesotans are affected by that issue.

A general discussion of the wisdom or folly of President Obama's stimulus
funding programs or budget, etc is national in scope. And while Minnesotans
will be generally affected by those stimulus programs and/or budget, so will
residents of other states.

Similarly, criticism or support of the Tea Parties in general are also more
national than state-wide oriented. If folks want to criticize or support
those events that were actually held in Minnesota, that's on-topic.

Thanks for your cooperation.


Regards,


Rick Mons
Forum Manager





From: Kristin Larsen Date: Apr 20 18:47 UTC Short link

I strongly disagree with this call - it is unnecessary, these occurred
all over MN and we are part of this.

We have to be more tolerant of the complexity and interlacing of
national and state issues.

I am a member of this team and I register my concern.



Kristin





Rick Mons wrote:
> Sorry, folks, but the posts in this thread are essentially about national
> issues and debates and off-topic. In order to post on this forum, you need
> to keep the focus on Minnesota issues or, if it's a national issue, how
> Minnesota and/or Minnesotans are affected by that issue.
>
> A general discussion of the wisdom or folly of President Obama's stimulus
> funding programs or budget, etc is national in scope. And while Minnesotans
> will be generally affected by those stimulus programs and/or budget, so will
> residents of other states.
>
> Similarly, criticism or support of the Tea Parties in general are also more
> national than state-wide oriented. If folks want to criticize or support
> those events that were actually held in Minnesota, that's on-topic.
>
> Thanks for your cooperation.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Rick Mons
> Forum Manager
>
> Rick Mons
> Tanglewood n'hood, Shoreview
> Info about Rick Mons: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/rickmons
>






>From: Ronald Leurquin Date: Apr 20 18:56 UTC Short link

OK, I've been following this thread, and its not been very MN focused at all.
I have no doubt that these Tea things happened here in MN, but can we talk
about those particular events rather than the more generic discussion that's
been going on thus far?

I mean come on, if were going to talk about how stupid or whatever these
people are, can we at least talk about our own MN people?

I do wonder about the family values of any fine upstanding republican that
would take part in tea bagging. Isn't that really a behavior for male stripers
to be performing?

Ron Leurquin
Nokomis East



From: Kristin Larsen Date: Apr 20 19:39 UTC Short link

1. To me racism is in the eye of the beholder. My recent experiences in
Northeastern Minnesota having to do with our tribes has taught me that if it
hits me as disparaging to a group, and more if it hits that group as
disparaging then it is racist. I listened to a person try to explain that
his behavior was not sexist, that the woman had just perceived it as such.
That is sort of the whole point - the things we do can be offensive and
knowing and being conscious of the impact of our behaviors is critical to
being a responsible person. so "Labeling behavior as racist should be done
when it is
racist, not when it is just plain silly." might want to read the quote
again from the Native American source to determine in who's eyes the
determination of what is racist is made. I recently listened to a long
discussion by our county board, I was not sure if what I heard was racist or
just mal informed but I did trust the Native American community's analysis
of it.

2. I believe the folks who did the teabagging here in Duluth were using what
was a hot issue/hot day to stage a protest for their side - which seems to
be the Grover Norquist drown the govt in the bathtub league. If we'd sat
around here on this listserv and figured out a cool day to have a protest
for the right wing and an issue they might flock around it seems like taxes
would be the likely one - this serves the purpose of giving everyone who
votes to eliminate services a big lovely bunch of quotes and numbers and
photos to point to to make their case. They are using National Media to
push a local action that is certainly going to be used to justify actions by
local politicians to cut government spending and avoid taxes - it already
has shown up as "I'm getting all this pressure from people to cut taxes"
yet only one speaker of this bent showed up at a recent gathering by county
officials to discuss our budget and he is the campaign chair of one of the
republican members of the board.

3. It is unfortunate that this was a bit of an astroturf passion play
rather than a genuine movement - had it been genuine it would have emerged
during the irresponsible build up of debt in our nation and not popped out
suddenly as the new administration is so obviously trying to cope with the
mess that it was left in a seemingly deliberate attempt to tie it's hands in
instituting it's reforms - and allow these cries of fiscal conservancy to
warble like fire alarms going off after Rome burned. Grover Norquist and
his ilk conducted this event - and I do not like it one iota. I strongly
support our new administration and look forward to new ways of doing things
and repaying the debt we've built up. I do not think it fair that the
previous admin was allowed to essentially empty the piggy bank and then
stand back and say the new admin can do nothing towards improving our nation
but must simply idle away it's years in power paying back their debts. If
our Governor is continuing to support the Norquist agenda (can anyone get
hold of the audio of him on the Grover Norquist show? I cannot find one)
and if local officials use this passion play to justify their agenda we need
to expose it for the false event it was.

Kristin

PS the link of the Teabaggers to Minnesota poltics is highly relevant and I
strongly oppose anyone insisting we not discuss it. Minnesota is not an
island and this is not an exclusively "national" event.








On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Marc Asch wrote:

> Laura Waterman Wittstock wrote:
> > I don't know how dressing up like American Indians (unless you are
> > Indians) isn't racist.
> While it is clear that the protesters do not know or understand American
> history, the symbolism they use or the terms they throw around, I do not
> see the use of Indian dress by non-Indians as racist. Racism is a
> serious problem. Labeling behavior as racist should be done when it is
> racist, not when it is just plain silly.
>
> Invoking the symbolism of the Boston Tea Party to protest spending bills
> which have passed the Congress in the months after a major US election
> which significantly changed the representation in Congress, and the
> party of the President, is idiotic. The protesters may not like the
> spending and may fear taxes to come, but this clearly was WITH
> representation.
>
> Unfortunately, the right wing is acting very much like a petulant child
> or a seriously disturbed adult. The Economist (4/16/09), a conservative
> British magazine, had a wonderful article Obama Derangement Syndrome on
> the fixation of the radical right on Obama.
>
> The right has never placed a high value on clarity of thought or facts
> in their attacks but the obsession with Obama is taking us to new
> heights. As the Economist suggests, and IMHO many of Lee's posts
> reflect, obsessing about Obama and making over the top accusations which
> the general public do not see a grounded in reality is pushing the
> radical right into a smaller and smaller public space with is further
> and further from the majority of the public.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Marc Asch
> 34 North Oaks Road 651-484-9037
> North Oaks, MN 55127
>
> "Democracy is not a spectator sport."
> Craig S. Wilson
>
>
> Marc Asch
>



>From: Wizard Marks Date: Apr 20 20:33 UTC Short link

Kristin: "Minnesota is not an island and this is not an exclusively "national"
event."



Say on, Sister!



This is the nugget of the issue. How many people and in what positions of power
participated in these tea parties (without the decency, I might add, to use
drinkable tea. [Huff, huff, huff.])? The protest was 'full of sound and fury,'
'a tale told by an idiot', etc. But what's the guesstimate of the number of
idiots we are harboring in Minnesota?




From: Nancy L LaRoche Date: Apr 20 21:53 UTC Short link

Wow. Some of you writing here have put on a breath-takingl display of hatred of
anyone who might have a dissenting opinion other than your seminar leftist
views. I attended the tea party and found people angry at the overreach of
local and national government with spending and taxing. I saw no "Indian"
costumes. And the gay porn jokes here are tired and limp. Are you nervous that
a grass-roots movement produced more in St. Paul April 15 that all
paid-protester left-wing organizations could manage in the last 8 years?

We're not all right-wing extremists. And, we're not idiots. We're
freedom-loving people who just wanted to let our government know we don't agree
with them.

I am sorry that so many on this board display the hatred they attach the tea
party goers with. My advice: attend the May 2 rally and decide for yourself.
Try talking with us instead of name-calling. We don't bite.




From: DRQuam Date: Apr 20 21:55 UTC Short link

Over 2000 attended the Rochester event. They collected and donated over 1000
pounds of food for the local food banks. A couple of people dressed like the
patriots that dumped tea in Boston.

Donating to food banks is not the action of heartless idiots, like the many
name callers on this list seem to think.

Duane Quam Jr.

Byron, MN




From: Alan Maki Date: Apr 20 22:24 UTC Short link

Yes, you want people to attend your "Tea Party" rallies but you exclude
those with a left view from speaking... wow! Real democratic.

Invite me to speak; I'll be there.

Alan L. Maki
58891 County Road 13
Warroad, Minnesota 56763
Phone: 218-386-2432
Cell phone: 651-587-5541
E-mail:

Check out my blog:

Thoughts From Podunk

http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/








-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:cpceep@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:54 PM
To:
Subject: [Minnesota] Tax Day Tea Parties Around Minnesota

Wow. Some of you writing here have put on a breath-takingl display of hatred
of anyone who might have a dissenting opinion other than your seminar
leftist views. I attended the tea party and found people angry at the
overreach of local and national government with spending and taxing. I saw
no "Indian" costumes. And the gay porn jokes here are tired and limp. Are
you nervous that a grass-roots movement produced more in St. Paul April 15
that all paid-protester left-wing organizations could manage in the last 8
years?

We're not all right-wing extremists. And, we're not idiots. We're
freedom-loving people who just wanted to let our government know we don't
agree with them.

I am sorry that so many on this board display the hatred they attach the tea
party goers with. My advice: attend the May 2 rally and decide for yourself.
Try talking with us instead of name-calling. We don't bite.
Nancy LaRoche
Inner Ring Suburb, Crystal
Info about Nancy L LaRoche: http://forums.e-democracy.org/p/cathyceep




From: Ian Bicking Date: Apr 20 23:02 UTC Short link

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 3:33 PM, WIZARD MARKS wrote:
> Kristin: "Minnesota is not an island and this is not an exclusively
"national" event."
>
> Say on, Sister!
>
> This is the nugget of the issue. How many people and in what positions of
power participated in these tea parties (without the decency, I might add, to
use drinkable tea. [Huff, huff, huff.])? The protest was 'full of sound and
fury,' 'a tale told by an idiot', etc. But what's the guesstimate of the number
of idiots we are harboring in Minnesota?

What's the point of all this commentary? Couldn't you have just said:

"Does anyone know how many people attended the protests in Minnesota?
Were there any people in positions of power attending?"

This thread is full of people who maybe have a nugget of information
or substantiated opinion to pass on, but choose to couch it in
judgmental language. This is true on both sides, and it bodes very
badly for the health of this forum. You can judge people in your
heart all you want and that's fine, but frankly YOUR OPINIONS ALONE DO
NOT MATTER TO THIS FORUM. There are people here who might care *why*
you have these opinions, but this empty rhetoric is entirely useless.
This mailing list isn't a survey of public opinion.




From: Jessica Wicks Date: 00:06 UTC Short link

As one of those token gay folks out there, I might clarify to say
that teabagging is not just a gay sexual act, but has been mentioned
in certain heterosexual films prominently as well.

I don't agree with the tax protesters, especially since most of the
ones I saw covered in the media actually had a tax cut, not
increase. Nor do I think it is fair to mention rising deficits since
the same president urged Congress and in his budget made plans to
lower the deficit in future years. The current spending is in keeping
with economic rules that pulled us out of the Great Depression and
seems to be having some positive effects in the current recession.
When no one else is able to spend, then if the government does not,
the markets will crash. Economics 101.

I do appreciate the ideological divide that separates people like me
that believe the government does have a place in our lives vs those
who do not. I can agree to disagree there. That divide is as old as
this country and swings from one side to the other are integral parts
of our American history.

But let me address another thought. It always does my heart good to
see Americans standing up and using all the methods of messaging at
our disposal to carry our message forward. One reason the often used
terminologies of Fascist or even Socialist have little meaning in the
context they have been used is that every one of us is represented in
a Congress who can by our votes be removed from their job. Folks this
is democracy. A republican form of democracy, but democracy
nonetheless. I protested the war, and many of Bush's policies. I was
proud of what I was doing because it involved active participation in
this crazy democracy of ours.

So to all of you on the other side of the great divide, those who see
government at the Federal level as wrong and something to be
controlled, I applaud your efforts to share your feelings through
active democracy. I can point with pride to the citizens of Minnesota
who turned out for a cause they believed in, in a nation many fought
and died for, just to preserve the freedom to do what Minnesotans
turned out to do. Unlike the Boston tea party, there were no
gendarmes ready to mow you down. You turned out and said your piece.

I was likewise heartened that in one locale at least people used the
opportunity to use the occasion to make donations to food banks. The
liberal side of our democracy also does that sort of thing at times
and it is a wonderful way to not only speak your mind, but help
others too.

One other thought. I may differ in opinion from my Minnesota
neighbors who self label as Conservative or Libertarian or whatever.
Heck I often differ with my closest liberal friends. I feel as
strongly about my position as they do about theirs. But that does
not prevent us, if we choose, to respect each other and our
differences. If there was one thing I would change, given the
opportunity it is this. We in Minnesota, liberals and conservatives
are united in one thing. That would be of course our humanity. We
all go to the bathroom, have our hopes and fears, loves and regrets.
I came here originally from Texas and some of my close friendships
and even family back there includes what would be termed "rednecks"
in most place. We find what we agree on rather than dwell on what we
disagree.

Fact is there are good people everywhere. But if we persist in this
ongoing game of divide and destroy politics and if we cannot find
what we have in common rather than what separates us, then the
American democracy and Minnesota's with it will go down in flames, a
failure for future generations to study.

In my short time here (9 years now) I've come to love Minnesota and
it is now very much my home. One thing I like about it is the way
people engage in their politics. In rugged individualistic Texas
there is not nearly so much of that going on. So carry on with tea
parties or whatever else you need to do. Honor my right to do the
same. In respect we can find common ground. And agree to disagree
where we don't. It is clear we do need to talk to each other, since
misunderstanding of the left seems as rampant as misunderstanding of
the right.

Jessica Wicks
Sheridan, NE Mpls



From: Nancy L LaRoche Date: 07:23 CDT Short link

Alan wrote: "Yes, you want people to attend your "Tea Party" rallies but you
exclude those with a left view from speaking... wow! Real democratic.

Invite me to speak; I'll be there."

Alan: Do you leftist protesters pass their bullhorns and allow the other side
to speak at their rallies? I've attended some anti-war protests and had great
conversations with those opposed to my views. I didn't demand the microphone.
In fact, at one three years ago I made friends with a homeless Native American
who was given an anti-war sign to carry. After we talked for a while, he put
his sign down and picked up a flag. That's what democracy is - the right to
have differing opinions and discuss openly with others. You seem to want to
dismiss and shut up those who disagree.

Come out and talk with us May 2. Try to understand our side face to face.
Again, we don't bite.

Monday, April 20, 2009

Mitch Berg; another chicken shit right-wing talk radio host

Note: Tea Bagger Mitch Berg, the racist, warmongering, big-mouth, right-wing radio talk host who organized and promoted the Tea Parties contacted me saying he wanted to debate me on his radio program; now he chickened out so I sent him this letter.


Mr. Mitch Berg,



I am forwarding you this to remind you about my initial concerns surrounding your “Tea Parties.”



You seem bent on trying to evade real debate on the real issues.



As for how I did on the Chris Baker Show I feel just fine about it considering the massive number of calls and e-mails I have received.



Thousands of people who never really considered the consequences of having over 800 U.S. foreign military bases dotting the globe now understand they are paying for these bases instead of getting a world-class public health care system free for everyone (including you).



These same thousands of people tell me they never thought of the consequences to the health of over forty-thousand of their fellow Minnesotans suffering as the result of working in these smoke-filled casinos.



You may not particularly like the Chris Baker show; however, from the responses I am still getting lots of people listen and for them this is the first time Mr. Baker has ever met his match.



I ask people who call me if my voice is like the voice they heard on the air and they all say no. They wonder why this is. And, I explain to them that you folks in right-wing talk radio use all kinds of gimmicks to suck people in; including using digital methods to try to make callers sound illiterate. Well, anyone speaking to me on the telephone soon learns the meanness of your business and how unethical those of you in right-wing talk radio really are.



People are not as stupid as you and Mr. Baker seem to think they are.



People who have heard me speak and know my voice know that during the time I was on the air with Mr. Baker my voice was digitally altered through electronics… sheer deceit… a few right-wing nut-cases might truly appreciate your antics; most people are highly offended.



As for how Mr. Baker did in relation to how I did, I got out much of what I intended to, knowing full well the tactics you right-wing talk hosts use.



Let us not confuse what took place on Mr. Baker’s program with what constitutes real debate where the same sound system--- unaltered between participants--- is used and there are time limits agreed to before hand for opening statements, rebuttals, etc.



Mr. Baker did not debate me… he succumbed to his own racist, anti-working class arrogance and took my bait.



I assume you are fully in agreement with the “issues” as has been reported by yourself and the news media as to what the issues are which are fairly well defined surrounding the “Tea Party” movement which you tea baggers are trying to entice people into.



It is those issues which I issued a challenge to the organizers of the Tea Party to debate at real debates.



I am aware you use your own dictionary; but most of humanity accepts my definition of what constitutes a “debate” since I haven’t seen any challenge to the definition provided in the Oxford Dictionary where I get the meaning of the word: debate.



Now, I have been more than willing to continue exchanging meaningless barbs with you as long as it was part of a more purposeful effort… it is “fun” isn’t it?



Especially when I am winning at playing the game you invented the rules to and change the rules as you go along... it takes quite a dummy to lose a game playing by their own rigged rules… suffice it to say you have managed to accomplish this feat with quite a little effort on your part and dozens of right-wing talk radio hosts from across the country who tried to help you out.



However, I do take great offense at you suggesting that it is appropriate to use people for the sake of pleasuring yourself at the problems so many people are experiencing in this country at this time… and, it is those problems consisting of the issues which I made the challenge to the organizers of the Minnesota Tea Party to have a debate on. Those cowardly and gutless bigots are listed in the “Cc” line of this e-mail. More chicken shit patriots like you.



Since Mr. Chris Baker refused to discuss any of the issues I said I would be happy to debate him, or anyone else on; I won. He lacked any ability or competence to address these issues.



Perhaps too many issues have been brought forward by the organizers of the Minnesota Tea Parties, and those of you bigots with pea-sized bird brains are not able to “chew gum and walk or talk at the same time.”



I note that you have yet to respond to me with one single issue with which you disagree with me. I am left thinking that it would be unfair to take advantage of you by debating you… but, my offer stands.



Obviously you fear a real debate or if time was really the problem you would have suggested one debate where the debate would be hosted by a disinterested third party where rules for the debate are established and agreed to by each side. You could even bring your children to the debate so they could watch their daddy get pummeled.



From the e-mails and phone calls I have received from people who have been reading our communications most people agree with me that you and Chris Baker really are “chicken shit patriots” who have fun--- for pay--- promoting wars that neither of you are willing--- nor have the courage--- to fight… let alone sit down side by side at a table to debate these issues with those who disagree with you.



I don’t know your background; but, I would venture to guess you come from a fairly well-heeled family living in an upscale neighborhood--- perhaps in one of St. Paul’s “better neighborhoods,” or one of a few similar wealthier neighborhoods someplace else in this country. Usually when I come across very arrogant people like you, I find they often had some kind of education in private or parochial schools where they were taught that they are better than everyone else and they ended up believing this bigotry they were taught… if this isn’t true, why would you make fun of me or any other working class person attempting to express our views about our problems?



Anyone can see that you and Mr. Baker have met your match in me.



You seek out the well-heeled crowd for whom politics is just a game--- be these people leftists, liberals or conservatives; for all of you it is as you describe it yourself: “fun.” How sad, sick and pathetic that you are able to have “fun” at the expense of fostering the kind of bigotry that keeps the problems of working people from being resolved.



I don’t see anything “fun” about people getting foreclosed on and evicted nor having to work in smoke-filled casinos only to have some cowardly bully sitting in control manipulating the sound from an “On Air” room at some radio station--- talking over someone after asking for an explanation and then ridiculing a person they claim is less adept at expressing themselves as you are even when the issues are what is important.



The fact that you and Mr. Baker have been dragged into this “confrontation” with me on my terms constitutes a victory for me putting forward some important issues in most everyone’s eyes.



Everyone, including those small business people who Fox and the other right-wing media brought into the “Tea Parties” to make a few bucks is being exposed slowly but surely… this “Tea Party” movement is going nowhere.



Once people figure out they have been had by those of you seeking to turn these “Tea Parties” into one more racket to profit from the stupidity of bigotry, the “Tea Party” movement will go the way of the religious right-wing movement… although, I seriously doubt it pans out as far as the religious right was able to go simply because it has been organized by a bunch of rinky-dinky shysters like you, Mr. Baker, Shawn Hannity and Rush Limbaugh..



I knew from the beginning of your initiating communication with me, that you never intended to engage in a real debate because you are just a hot-air wind-bag making a buck having “fun.” I did know and understand your slimy business well enough that I would be able to entice and sucker from another of your colleagues to jump to the bait in order to beat you to it… Mr. Baker was the first sucker in prime-time to come along... now I caught two suckers on one worm.



It is not everyday that someone from the left gets an entire letter read on prime-time right-wing talk radio and now the focus is on what is in that letter that you and the other organizers of the “Tea Parties”” of the right-wing talk radio circuit are having to respond to since my letter, thanks to you, has been picked up far and wide--- and it was the contents of that “Open Letter to the Organizers of the Minnesota Tea Party” that I wanted circulated widely.



I think you have figured out by now you have been had.



I now have no more use for you so I would appreciate it if you will now end all communication with me unless you decide to sit down at a table with me for a real debate--- the time and place of your own choosing, as long as there is an impartial moderator prepared to enforce the rules of the debate on each participant in a fair manner.



Please note for the record: I have never, neither ever contacted, nor sought out, participation in your program or the program of any other right-wing radio talk show host… you and Mr. Baker came to me when I dangled the bait; the problem is, for some reason you got the bait when it was meant for the “Organizers of the Minnesota Tea Party” and I dangled this bait in front of them--- is their a reason you were in the same school of suckers?



Now, it is you and Mr. Baker along with the rest of the idiots hosting right-wing talk radio who are caught on a very sharp hook… I wish you the best of luck in getting free. Of course to get set free, you will have to explain how it is you took bait sent to, and intended for, the Organizers of the Minnesota Tea Party. You and Mr. Baker are in fact, along with the other hosts of right-wing talk radio, the only organizers of the Minnesota Tea Party.



I find your complaint about my “spamming” to be hilarious coming from someone pretending to be part of a movement dating back to the days of the American Revolution and its traditions of leaflets and broadsides… perhaps the British would have lodged the same complaint against Tom Paine and Benjamin Franklin.



You seem to be working (if I can call your form of having “fun” working) under the illusion that all speech is has to be filtered through you, and with your consent and permission, for it to be legitimate. You are more like some arrogant British colonel than a participant in the Boston Tea Party.



By the way, talking about a waste of tax-payers’ money--- an issue you like to talk so much about… you might want to file a Freedom of Information Act request with the United States Department of Justice to find out why they spent so much of your tax-dollars creating a massive dossier now consisting of over 15,000 pages on me after J. Edgar Hoover testified that I was one of “the most dangerous persons in America” because he claimed I was “one of the most articulate and knowledgeable people in the international Communist movement.” Now, if your conclusion that I am just a dunce of some kind is correct, you might want to find out just how much of your tax dollars have been wasted by the National Security Agency, military intelligence (now there is an oxymoron if I ever heard one) and the FBI and various local and state police agencies and even the gendarmes of several Caribbean Nations and Canada’s RCMP and CSIS.



If you want to find out how tax-dollars are really being wasted, maybe you should invite FBI Director Mr. Mueller and me to appear on your program to discuss whether watching me for over 40 years has paid off for American tax-payers; and, if so, how?



Now, in case you forgot; here are my original two letters to the “Organizers of the Minnesota Tea Party (also, further below I have included information about the plight of casino workers). Also, please take note, the “Organizers of the Minnesota Tea Party” are clearly against socialism--- I doubt that you will find anyone to dispute that I am the most open and articulate advocate of socialism in Minnesota, so if they can’t debate me for fear of losing this argument their entire case is very weak, I would think:

What I see in your Tea Party “movement” is:

1. racism
2. vicious anti-communism
3. warmongers
4. people sucked in by Wall Street
5. a gross distortion of “patriotism.”

I would encourage all of you to read “Citizen Tom Paine” by Howard Fast and his other historical novels on the American Revolution to get some kind of basic grounding and understanding as to what constitutes fighting for freedom, justice and liberty.

You really have a very shallow understanding of the issues.

For instance—

Why no mention of this “little” fact:

Our government is wasting trillions of dollars maintaining over 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil dotting the globe in countries where we have no business when, instead, we should be establishing 800 public health care centers spread out across the United States providing free health care for everyone.

It is easy for you all to say things like you do using assumed names and monikers… I am wondering if you would dare to say such pathetically stupid, harmful and hurtful things if you had to sign your real names and provide contact information?

I would challenge any of you to debate these issues: anytime, anyplace anywhere.

Any takers?

Bak, bak, bak, bak, baaakkk, bak, bak, bak, baaaaakkkkkkkk.

Just a bunch of chicken shit patriots.

Give me a call if you can converse intelligently.

Alan L. Maki
218-386-2432





I have also sent this e-mail to the "Tea Baggers:"

At their e-mail addresses:

'stpaulteaparty@gmail.com'; 'pata@mnfreemarketinstitute.org'; 'dgjohannes@comcast.net'; 'margaretlee@amblerLLC.com'; 'toni@movingmn.com'; 'stpaulteaparty@gmail.com'



An open letter to:

The organizers of the “Minnesota Tea Parties.”

What kind of ideas do you people have if you are afraid to debate and fear the ideas of others?

You are no better than, certainly no alternative to, Barack Obama and the pathetic Democrats and the even more corrupt and disgraced Republicans.

Come on, put your ideas up against a real socialist.

I challenge you to hold debates in every one of the Minnesota communities where you had your big-business/Wall Street financed “Tea Parties.”

Just give me the dates and times and I will be there to debate any of you on the issues you claim to be so concerned about.

It is easy for you to rant and rave against the perverted caricature of socialism you have created without having to sit side by side with a socialist and debate the issues.

Here I am… let’s have at it… or are you afraid to put your ideas out where they can be challenged in the “public square.”

Alan L. Maki

Director of Organizing,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council









Alan L. Maki

Director of Organizing,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council



-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maki [mailto:amaki000@centurytel.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:03 AM
To: 'peterb3121@hotmail.com'
Cc: 'WCS-A@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: Re: National Lawyers Guild human rights forums in Minneapolis



(Please feel free to circulate and distribute widely)



Mr. Peter Brown--- National Lawyers Guild;



I saw your notice in Shove’s “Progressive Calendar” for your upcoming discussions on human rights in the Twin Cities.



I just wanted to let you know one of the most massive denial of human rights in the United States involves the two-million casino workers employed at over 350 casinos where workers are employed in a smoke-filled workplace at poverty wages with NO rights under state or federal labor laws protecting all other workers under terms of “Compacts” creating the Indian Gaming Industry.



I have noticed the National Lawyers Guild and your speaker has not addressed this issue in the past or present… thought you might want to consider changing this here in Minnesota where over 40,000 Minnesotans are now employed in these unjust and deplorable conditions--- many of whom are undocumented workers, people of color and young women of child-bearing age for whom this smoke-filled work environment is especially pernicious. I addition, many pensioners are increasingly forced to work in these smoke-filled environments as they are forced to supplement their meager Social Security checks which is another human rights abuse in its own right.



I would note that it has been the Democratic Party that developed these “Compacts” in order to keep huge amounts of campaign contributions flowing their way from the mobsters who manage these casino operations which many Native American communities have been sucked into fronting for under the guise that everyone is going to become extremely wealthy. To be sure, some have become extremely wealthy beyond the imaginations of most Native Americans… but, for most Native American communities these casinos have resulted in tremendous debt which exacerbates poverty and despair--- bringing everything from loan-sharking and prostitution to drug dealing and the family violence which accompanies this kind of government authorized working and living environment.



Rather than alleviating the deplorable racist and genocidal conditions including all kinds of abuse imaginable spun by years of U.S. governmental repression and oppression intentionally carried out by the government of the United States, this Indian Gaming Industry operating under the Draconian terms of these “Compacts” has added a vicious anti-labor element and dimension as most Native Americans are working class and require the protections of state and federal labor laws more than any other segment of our society.



I would hope that you would consider the fact that workers who are employed under the conditions of having NO rights or voice at their places of employment have NO rights in the communities where they reside.



The Mystic Lake Casino empire with over 5,000 employees is a case in point. Workers are forced to sign a statement which is part Minnesota’s legislated “at-will hiring and firing policy” taken to the extreme. As a condition of employment, workers are forced to sign statements acknowledging that they will not engage in union organizing activities in any way. This casino management has fired workers for the act of maintaining blogs--- even when those blogs have nothing to do with their employment. And these are typical of the human rights abuses centered around democratic rights and human rights.



In fact, one can take the United Nations’ Universal Declaration of Human Rights and our own Constitution and Bill of Rights and find every single abuse of the very rights on a mass scale that these documents are intended to protect while going through any of these more than 350 casinos spread out across the United States employing some two-million people.



I hope the National Lawyers Guild will finally consider speaking out boldly in defense of the rights of casino workers and the government mandated and legislated abuses they are being subjected to day-in-and-day out; twenty-four hours a day, every single day of the year.



I would further point out that these deplorable conditions have created an industry where a huge turn-over of the workforce is the result of these Draconian and unjust conditions meaning many more than two-million workers employed daily are ultimately at risk; and for many young workers just setting out in the working lives, these casino jobs are their first jobs which sets the stage for a very docile workforce willing to “adjust,” and accept, injustices in other industries.



As the economy heads south, these employers in the Indian Gaming Industry use this as an opportunity to “tighten the screws” in controlling their workers.



Again, in writing, it is my hope that the National Lawyers Guild will end its over twenty years of silence on this question by letting public officials know that these injustices must be set right by renegotiating the individual “Compacts” under which each of these casinos are given authority by state governments and the federal governments to operate. I would further note, the FBI and state agencies like the Minnesota Department of Public Safety are responsible for “policing” these casino operations as far as drug dealing and assuring that slot and table games are operated on the “up-and-up;” so, the issue of “sovereignty” is not the issue here when it comes to the rights of labor… rather, it is a matter of public officials providing these casino managements with labor force of workers who are completely at the mercy of management in terms of employment.



I would also note, also, that these “Compacts” are in fact “contracts.”



As we have seen with the auto industry, public officials right on up to the president of the United States think nothing of using their power and influence to force workers to re-open and renegotiate their contracts.



These same public officials are fully aware that their actions in creating these “Compacts” resulted in the wholesale denial of the most basic and elemental human rights to working people; this wrong and injustice must be set right.



In closing, I would call to your attention that the very same political forces and politicians who have intentionally and systematically denied free access to health care to all people is a double whammy to casino workers for whom second-hand smoke creates all kinds of adverse and catastrophic health problems as has been articulated so well by the American Cancer Society and the Heart and Lung Foundations.



Finally, I would point out that the Canadian Province of Manitoba has put an end to smoking in its Provincially owned and Native owned casinos; if this can be accomplished in Manitoba, it certainly can be accomplished here in Minnesota and across the United States where the government continues to fund more than 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil dotting the globe in countries where human rights are systematically abused instead of creating 800 public health care centers spread out across the United States… it truly is a dirty shame that our own government can’t even match the number of service centers of the auto industry to maintain their “lemons” by a similar number of public health care centers to maintain human health and get people well when sick… something not lost on the two-million coughing casino workers many of whom are contracting employment related cancers, heart and lung diseases.



Casino workers need the independent voice of the National Lawyers Guild to be heard boldly, loudly and clearly in their defense for rights at work and a voice in the workplace so they can fully participate in their communities… we are talking about the intentional and systematic abuse of very basic democratic and human rights by government working hand-in-hand with some of the most violent mobsters like the Fertitta family and the Kansas City Mob who dominate and control the Indian Gaming Industry who have at their disposal huge lawfirms/lobbyists like Brownstein/Hyatt/Farber/Schreck.



I would request that the Minnesota Chapter of the National Lawyers Guild address this issue at your earliest convenience, request action from the National organization--- perhaps in the form of a letter to all state and federal public officials; and I further request that you pass on my concerns to your guest, noted human rights activist Ajamu Baraka.



Notice I received from David Shove’s “Progressive Calendar:”



--------14 of 19--------



From: Peter Brown

Subject: Ajamu Baraka 4.17 1:30/3/4:30pm



Dear Colleagues for Justice:

We are pleased to confirm three community conversations with Ajamu Baraka, nationally and internationally recognized human rights scholar, advocate, and organizer on Friday afternoon, April 17, 2009, in advance of his keynote address at the National Lawyers Guild-Minnesota Chapter's annual Social Justice Dinner - Saturday April 18, 6PM at William Mitchell College of Law Auditorium ---



1. 1:30PM at Minneapolis Urban League, 2000 Plymouth Avenue North, Minneapolis, MN



2. 3:00 PM at Sabathani Community Center, 310 East 38th Street, Minneapolis, MN



3. 4:30PM at MLK, Jr. Community Center, 270 Kent Street, St. Paul, MN



To give you a more complete view of Ajamu Baraka's activity here in the Twin Cities during these days, I am attaching his full itinerary for these days.



Ajamu is very enthusiastic about this opportunity to meet and speak with you and the other justice activists you gather for this conversation and I'm sure with your help we will make the most of our time together.



I am also attaching the poster previously sent since it contains additional background information about Ajamu Baraka which you may choose to incorporate into outreach you do for this conversation. Peter 612-824-6533





--------15 of 19--------



From: Hamline University Law School in the Twin Cities of St. Paul, and Minneapolis Minnesota (http://law.hamline.edu)

Subject: Natl Lawyers Guild 4.17-19 5:30pm



EVENT: Weekend Program of Events at Hamline Law School

National Lawyers Guild - Hamline Chapter



The National Lawyers Guild Midwest Regional Conference will be held April 17, 18 and 19 at Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul, Minnesota.



WE DISSENT: Taking Back our Civil Liberties



Friday April 17th 2009

Sundin Music Hall

5:30 - 7:30 Set Up and Registration

7:00 - 7:30 Meet and Greet ;

7:30 Keynote Speaker ; Ken Tilsen introduced by Bruce Nestor



10:00 - close Rebellious Bar Review ; Bedlam Theatre 1501 S. 6th St. on the West Bank, Minneapolis





Saturday April 18th 2009

9:00 - 10:00

Session 1: Solomon Amendment ; discussion by Phil Duran, staff attorney for OutFront Minnesota

Room: Sorin Hall A



9:45 - 11:15

Session 2: Twin Cities Culture Panel ; with Abigail Cerra, Abdirizk Bihi and Roman Gonzalez.

Room: Sorin Hall B



10:00 - 11:00

Session 3: International Human Rights Applied Domestically ; presented by Peter Brown with Ajamu Baraka, Execitive Director of the US Human Rights Network

Room: Sorin Hall A



11:30 - 1:00

Session 4: Ramona Africa ; Move9

Room: LAW 105



1:45 - 3:15

Session 5: Securing the Human Rights of Arrestees and Detainees: the Right to Medical Attention ; Peter Brown, former MN NLG President and Jordan Kushner, sole practitioner

Room: Sorin Hall B



Session 6: Legal Workers of the World, Unite(d)! (As faculty for lawyers after law school.) ; facilitated by Michael Friedman, Executive Director of Legal Rights Center with Abigail Cerra, Jude Ortiz, Michelle Gross

Room: Sorin Hall A



3:15 - 4:15

Session 8: Inexpensive Legal Research ; Professor Grace Mills, Law Library Dir. and Assoc. Prof. of Law Hamline University

Room: Sorin Hall B



Session 9: Living with Debt While Being an Effective Advocate ; with Heather Rastorver Vlieger and Sharon Fischlowitz of LRAP

Room: Sorin Hall A



6:30

Minnesota NLG Social Justice Dinner

William Mitchell School of Law





Sunday April 19th 2009

9:30 - 10:30

Session 10: TBD

Room: LAW 101



Session 11: Legal Observer Training ; presented by Jennifer McEwen, Rachel Bengston and Carla Magnuson

Room: LAW 04



10:30 - 12:00

Session 12: The Movement For Reproductive Justice: New Strategies For Organizing And Coalition Building ; with Kate Hannaher, founder and chair of Hamline Law Students for Reproductive Justice, and Sara Thome, Legal Aid attorney, founder and former chair of Hamline Law Students for Reproductive Justice.

Room: LAW 101



Session 13: Student Chapter Forum ; facilitated by Micah Ludeke, co-chair of NLG Hamline Chapter

Room: LAW 04



12:00 - 1:00

Session 14: Know Your Rights (and how to explain them) ; presented by Jude Ortiz of Coldsnap Legal Collective

Room: LAW 04



Session 15: TBD

Room: LAW 101



Additional Information

Visitor parking at the Saint Paul campus

Visitor parking is located in the White House lot on Hewitt

Avenue at Pascal Street. Parking is enforced Monday-Friday, 8

a.m.-4 p.m. Visitor parking is enforced as signage indicates.

All parking lots, with exception of the staff/faculty parking

Lot H, are open to visitors without permits after 4:30 p.m.

weekdays and all weekends

Driving Directions

You may also call 651-523-2441 for directions.



Hamline University School of Law | 1536 Hewitt Avenue Saint Paul, MN 55104-1237 | U.S.A. | 651-523-2941





The anti-labor, racist and fascist edge to the “Tea Parties” being held across our country makes it all the more imperative that our concerns be addressed at this time without procrastination.



We wish you well and hope for your success in endevoring to educate Minnesotans concerning human rights.



Yours in struggle for justice and human dignity;



Alan L. Maki

Director of Organizing,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council



58891 County Road 13

Warroad, Minnesota 56763

Phone: 218-386-2432

Cell phone: 651-587-5541

E-mail: amaki000@centurytel.net



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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maki [mailto:amaki000@centurytel.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:57 PM
To: 'WCS-A@yahoogroups.com'
Cc: 'jan.alswager@educationminnesota.org'
Subject: Tea Parties: Obama has created fertile soil for the development of fascism...



We are requesting that you circulate our concerns as widely as possible so working people have the opportunity to have a full discussion on these issues.



Thank you,



Maggie “Patty” Bird

President,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council



Alan L. Maki

Director of Organizing,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council







Contrary to the thinking of the muddle-headed middle class intellectuals posing as progressives, Barack Obama’s campaign and his time in office to date has been nothing but a right-wing, pro-war, pro-corporate agenda which anyone could see was going to result in the right-wing having a field day under the guise of “populism.”



These muddle-headed middle class intellectuals for whom politics is a high-priced game that they play instead of Scrabble, Cribbage, Chess or Checkers have knowingly aided and abetted Wall Street bankers and coupon clippers living like parasites off the wealth created by labor as they used the election of Barack Obama to set the stage to push this country further to the right than anyone could ever have imagined.



Five-hundred of these muddle-headed middle class intellectuals banded together in “Progressives for Obama;” other thousands through outfits like Progressive Democrats of America and Moveon.org who used progressive to make millions of dollars as they, like Obama, engaged in a very selfish, self-serving and self-promoting form of politics to sell their books and magazines… the Nation Magazine has been one of the worst abusers of the progressive label in this regard along with the Campaign for America’s Future which is the “think-tank” for the high-paid, class collaborationist, sell-out leadership of the AFL-CIO.



Anyone can see from reading this article below that these people are hitting at very legitimate issues that the left should have been on top of addressing long ago by becoming the most vocal critics and protesters of Barack Obama’s Wall Street policies and agenda.



What was needed, and is still needed, is for working class liberals, progressives and leftists to come together through some kind of “people’s lobby” to explain what is the real nature and source of the problems the right is bringing forward here.



We cannot wait for these “leaders” from the labor movement, the peace or environmental movements to step forward into this fight of the people versus Wall Street because they have no clue to what is happening in this country… many of them make just as much as the corporate CEO’s and have not an inkling or a clue as to the problems being experienced by working people. Our problems are nothing more than footnotes in some government or think-tank reports that they use to sound good when making speeches, writing books and magazine articles--- which most working people can’t even afford to purchase.



We can see from what has been transpiring on the Internet that many of the participants in these “tea parties” are honest working people just plain fed up; many of whom pay dues to unions that have leaders they don’t trust largely because these union leaders have been complicit in supporting Barack Obama when they should have been opposing Obama on most issues--- and why should working people trust these “leaders” who backed Barack Obama to the hilt while failing to put forward the resources to mobilize the working class in defense of their own interests and to improve their own standard of living.



Working people have no interests in supporting the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan.



Working people have no interests in bailing out the Wall Street bankers and insurance companies.



Working people have no interests in bailing out the auto or steel industries.



Working people have no interests in supporting tax-increases.



Wars are robbing the working class of their sons and daughters along with squandering the wealth workers have created.



Working people had no part in creating this mess; Wall Street bankers and coupon clippers did this all on their own--- now, let them clean up the mess they created.



Wall Street bankers and insurance companies have all the wealth required to bail themselves out of the problems of their own making; they don’t need tax-payer bailouts.



Instead of bailing out Wall Street, tax revenues should be going into socially useful and necessary programs like public health care, public education, public mass transit, public recreation programs for youth, public child care centers and public libraries.



For what Obama has spent bailing out the auto industry--- and what he intends to spend bailing out the steel industry--- the government could purchase the entire industries, lock, stock and barrel; nationalize these industries and bring them under public ownership. Why the government would want to purchase these industries rather than just take them over in the public’s best interest we don’t understand.



All tax-increases should be in the form of capital gains taxes on the super wealthy Wall Street crowd with a tax placed on every single stock and bond transaction.



The one issue that has the very best potential to unite the people of this country and create a real change in direction is the health care issue… there isn’t a single person who doesn’t require access to health care. Yet, those muddle-headed middle class intellectuals, some of the most well-known and preeminent writers in this country, have failed to articulate a clear alternative to the health care mess.



The solution is simple: Close down the more than 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil dotting the globe, and build 800 public health care centers spread out across the United States providing everyone with access to health care.



If anyone doubts that such a call for this kind of initiative would not be overwhelmingly supported by the American people, we suggest that 800 forums on this issue be organized in the very communities where these public health care centers would be located to best serve the health care needs of the American people, and ask the people to come out and provide their opinion on this issue.



Every public school and public library could be turned into voting centers with people using their Social Security card numbers to vote electronically on the question:



Should the United States government close down more than 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil and use the resources saved to build 800 public health care centers stretching out across this country strategically located to provide the American people with free access to all basic health care needs required by human beings?



Barack Obama and these muddle-headed middle class intellectuals posing as liberals, progressives and leftists talk about creating a country linked with state of the art broad-band communication network and people don’t even have access to health care--- where is the logic to this, where is the common sense, where is the basic human decency… first they insinuated this broad-band communications network would be free; now, they say, like health care, it will be “affordable.” Well, we have the technology available right now to see how popular and efficient the Internet can be by holding a nationwide referendum on putting an end to war and militarism and using the wealth and the resources of this country to serve the very best interests of the people by providing free health care for all.



If the “Progressives for Obama,” “Moveon.org,” Progressive Democrats of America and all the labor unions, peace organizations, civil and human rights organizations and environmental organizations were to come together in a massive “people’s lobby” we could force Barack Obama and the politicians to hold a nationwide referendum on this health care issue.



And, as far as economic stimulus and job creation, not a better and more effective way can be found to create jobs faster and pump more money into the economy so working people can purchase those things they need to live decent lives.



Such a vast network of 800 public health care centers serving all of the American people would employ some four-million people while it would require some 3.5 million construction workers to build these public health care centers… talk about your “shovel ready” projects!



Not even considering the jobs that this kind of massive undertaking for the good of the human race would spin off, which would be well over eight-million jobs, we create over 15,000,000 (fifteen-million jobs) which would create a full-employment economy with workers receiving decent pay for decent jobs.



The working class youth now living in the ghettos, barrios and on Indian Reservations would have real futures to look forward to serving the health care needs of their communities and families.



The United States would finally reap the dividends of peace by learning to live in harmony with the rest of the world, too.



With the money saved not being siphoned off by the health insurance and health care industries, we would have billions to spend on clean, green, mass transit systems.



The spin-offs of funding real public health care would be enormous; including a healthier, longer-living, happier population.



There is something terribly wrong when the politicians of this country cannot understand that the primary task is to put people before Wall Street’s profits; this is what is creating such disharmony in our society and is fueling this ultra-right wing, fascist upsurge of “tea baggers.”



The liberal, progressive and left opinion-makers are doing us a great disservice by failing to add their voices for a real progressive agenda that brings the working class into opposition to the Wall Street policies of Barack Obama.



This country is going to move much further to the right; or, it will move to the left.



The right wing has a very well-funded organizational structure; apparently abandoned by liberal, progressive and left intellectuals, it is now up to rank-and-file workers to initiate the kind of grassroots effort through education and organization if we are going to move this country left onto the high-road of a politics and economics of livelihood, and we should begin by addressing the primary issues of concern to working people: health care, peace and jobs--- real justice for the working women and men who create the wealth of this country with a great deal of help from Mother Nature.



Ending the obsessive militaristic binge this country has been on since the end of World War II as Wall Street has sought to dominate the entire world in quest of ever greater profits will be a major factor--- the single largest factor--- in bringing global warming under control… something those who are pushing for “greening the economy,” also, completely ignore.



To give this some perspective; scientists estimate that over one-third of all the ore mined on Minnesota’s Iron Range has gone for war and militarization; it doesn’t take a genius to figure out how much fuel the transport and processing of this ore into steel consumes--- the coal, the coke, the electricity and gas.



Our society is paying a terrible price in so many ways for its addiction to militarism which stems from Wall Street’s drive for corporate profits.



William Z. Foster--- the great trade union leader, working class intellectual and activist, and Marxist thinker and writer--- pointed out that the very best education the American people could ever get would be an anti-imperialist education; he was so right.



Minnesota’s two most popular ever governors, Floyd B. Olson and Elmer Benson--- both socialists--- said the very same thing as William Z. Foster.



And, Albert Einstein in his essay “Why socialism?” written in 1949 for the socialist magazine “Monthly Review” clearly articulated why war and militarism sapped our country of its wealth in explaining the nature of capitalism and its most barbaric, parasitic and cannibalistic stage: imperialism.



Instead of a “tea party;” workers need a socialist party to advance an alternative agenda. A “people’s lobby” can get us headed in this direction.



Capitalism is on the skids to oblivion; do we want to be dragged down this dark, scary, bumpy road to perdition?



Let’s talk about health care.



Let’s talk about peace.



Let’s talk about a “people’s bailout.”



Let’s talk about the politics and economics of livelihood--- for real change.



The time has come to make a “left turn.”



Education. Organization. Unity. Action.



With two-million casino workers employed in smoke-filled casinos at poverty wages without any rights under state or federal labor laws, we know a little something about why this country needs a quality, public health care system providing free health care for all… we know that many illnesses and health care problems working people suffer from are directly related to their places of employment--- once again, the bosses get rich; working people suffer and get stuck with the bill.



It is not our intent to speak ill of anyone; but, at some point a line needs to be drawn in the sand. On one side of this line stands the working class; on the other side stand the Wall Street bankers and industrialists. It really is as simple as that.



As workers, we have no interest in saving capitalism; our concern is getting working people through this mess with the required reforms as we struggle to put an end to capitalism while building the socialist alternative.



Together, the working class--- united--- has the power to create real change.



We ask you to read and digest what is in this article below. The dangers ahead cannot be exaggerated; the dangers are very real.



We are firmly convinced that the struggle for real health care reform when combined with the fight for peace can defeat the forces pushing our country precariously to the right, while advancing a progressive working class agenda. We invite your comments and concerns.



Our Organizing Council has allocated some of our limited resources in an attempt to initiate a struggle for 800 public health care centers spread out across the United States instead of continuing to fund 800 U.S. military bases on foreign soil.



We hope you will add your voices to this campaign and join our efforts.



Maggie “Patty” Bird

President,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council



Alan L. Maki

Director of Organizing,

Midwest Casino Workers Organizing Council







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Tax deadline brings out thousands of protesters


http://apnews.myway.com//article/20090415/D97J44280.html

Apr 15, 2009

By JOE BIESK

FRANKFORT, Ky. (AP) - Thousands of protesters, some dressed like Revolutionary War soldiers and most waving signs with anti-tax slogans, gathered around the nation Wednesday for a series of rallies modeled after the original Boston Tea Party. They chose the income tax filing deadline to express their displeasure with government spending since President Barack Obama took office.

The protests were held everywhere from Kentucky, which just passed tax increases on cigarettes and alcohol, to South Carolina, where the governor has repeatedly criticized the $787 billion economic stimulus package Congress passed earlier this year.

"Frankly, I'm mad as hell," said Des Moines, Iowa, businessman Doug Burnett, one of about 1,000 people, many in red shirts declaring "revolution is brewing," at a rally at the Iowa Capitol. "This country has been on a spending spree for decades, a spending spree we can't afford."

Large rallies were expected later in California and New York.

In Atlanta, thousands of people were to gather on the steps of the Georgia Capitol, where Fox News Channel conservative pundit Sean Hannity was set to broadcast his show Wednesday night.

In Boston, a few hundred protesters gathered on the Boston Common - a short distance from the original Tea Party - some dressed in Revolutionary garb and carrying signs that said "Barney Frank, Bernie Madoff: And the Difference Is?" and "D.C.: District of Communism."

The tea parties were promoted by FreedomWorks, a conservative nonprofit advocacy group based in Washington and led by former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey of Texas, a lobbyist whose corporate clients including Verizon, Raytheon, liquor maker Diageo, CarMax and drug company Sanofi Pasteur.

The group's federal tax returns show its educational and charitable arms received more than $6 million in donations in 2007, the most recent year for which returns are available.

Organizers said the movement developed organically through online social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter and through exposure on Fox News.

And while they insisted it was a nonpartisan effort, it has been seized on by many prominent Republicans who view it as a promising way for the party to reclaim its momentum.

"It is a nonpartisan mass organizing effort comprised of people unhappy with the size of government. All you have to be is a mildly awake Republican candidate for office to get in front of that parade," said Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.

The movement has also attracted some Republicans considering a 2012 presidential bid.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich planned to address a tea party in a New York City park Wednesday night. His advocacy group, americansolutions.com, has partnered with tea party organizers to get word to the group's members.

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford, another likely 2012 GOP presidential hopeful, planned to attend tea parties in Columbia and Charleston. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal sent an e-mail to his supporters, letting them know about tea parties taking place throughout the state.

There were several small counter-protests, including one in at Fountain Square in Cincinnati, where about a dozen people protested the protesters, one carrying a sign that read, "Where were you when Bush was spending billions a month 'liberating' Iraq?" The anti-tax demonstration, meanwhile, drew about 4,000 people.

In Lansing, Mich., outside the state Capitol, another 4,000 people waved signs exclaiming "Stop the Fiscal Madness,""Read My Lipstick! No More Bailouts" and "The Pirates Are in D.C." Children held makeshift signs complaining about the rising debt.

"I'm really opposed to spending the way out of our problem," said Deborah Mourray, 56, a business administrator from the Detroit suburb of Troy. "How I run my home is I don't spend more money so my situation improves. Save and conserve."

In Connecticut, police estimated 3,000 people showed up at the state Capitol in Hartford and another 1,000 at a rally in New Haven. Many carried makeshift pitchforks and signs with messages aimed at the Democrats who control Congress and the White House.

In Montgomery, Ala., Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" blared from loud speakers as more than 1,000 people gathered at the Alabama Statehouse.



(AP) Russell Wirtalla, dressed as a Colonial soldier, joins tax protesters rallying on the north steps...
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Greg Budell, a radio talk show host, said the tea parties could have the same impact as when Rosa Parks refused to move to the back of a Montgomery bus during segregation in 1955.

"If one woman could change the world by refusing to move to the back of the bus, we ought to be able to change it by saying we are not going to let our government throw us under the bus and our children and our grandchildren," he said.

In Frankfort, about 250 people gathered at the Capitol, where just a few months earlier Kentucky bourbon producers emptied whiskey bottles on the steps to protest alcohol taxes.

David Ransdell, a 66-year-old retired Baptist missionary from Lawrenceburg, donned an empty tea box as a hat and dangled tea bags around the sides.

"The future does not look real good for our country," Ransdell said. "People are afraid that they're going to be out on the street."

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Associated Press Writers Mike Glover in Des Moines, Iowa, Stephanie Reitz in Hartford, Conn., Beth Fouhy in New York, Kelsey Abbruzzese in Boston, Scott Bauer in Madison, Wis., Shannon McCaffrey in Atlanta, Terry Kinney in Cincinatti, David Eggert in Lansing, Mich., and Phillip Rawls in Montgomery, Ala. contributed to this report.

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